Chris Benoit and family found dead!!!

[RAZORMAID]

what the fuck?????

WATCH WWE RAW TONIGHT....

[Mr.T]

On June 25, 2007 Benoit was found dead in his home, along with his wife, Nancy and his son, Daniel.

Death

On June 25, 2007 Benoit and his family were found dead in their home in Atlanta. It was first reported to fans of the WWE via WWE Mobile. No exact details are known about this death at this time. Through their website, World Wrestling Entertainment also released the following statement:

"World Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities.

Monday Night's Raw on the 25th of June, 2007, will serve as a tribute to Chris Benoit and his family."

PW Headlines stated that Benoit called in to WWE Sunday and said he would be unable to make it back as his family was ill and they were spitting up blood.

WTF?!?!

[TheNewNo.2]

That is fucking crazy! Chris Benoit was one of my all-time favorite wrestlers and probably my favorite one working today. Along with Kurt Angle and Eddie Guerrero, he was the best in-ring worker I've ever seen, and came across as a legit badass rather than a guy acting tough like John Cena. I'd heard he missed the pay-per-view last night for personal reasons, but hadn't heard the spitting up blood thing. I guess we'll find out more details in the next few days, but the whole thing sounds bizarre and suspicious. Whenever I hear of a whole family being found dead (which thankfully, isn't that often) I just jump to the conclusion of murder/suicide, and I hope that's not the case here, but what difference does it really make? Dead is dead. It all just sucks.

Maybe the "Mr. McMahon is dead" angle cursed the company or something. A couple of weeks ago, when Vince's limo "blew up," a wrestling website I visit was asking what would the WWE do if somebody actually died during the storyline, since the WWE was treating it like Vince McMahon actually was dead--giving him a 10-bell salute they only give to wrestlers who die in real life like Eddie Guerrero and Owen Hart, and then having Stephanie McMahon give a horribly acted promo weeping about her dead dad looking down on her from heaven. Well, last week Sensational Sheri Martel died, and now Benoit, one of the top guys in the company. Just absolutely crazy. Another example of why there's no industry quite like pro wrestling.

[frank_beans]

wow sad news indeed. sorry to hear the loss, back when i used to watch wwe, he was one of the best on there. r.i.p. to the benoit family.

[BigDaddy_GFS]

I gave up on Pro Wrestling long ago.
However, Chris Benoit was a bona fide talent. He hearkened back to the old school tradition of 'wrestling'. He could actually grapple, submit, and toss his opponents better than anyone else, with the possible exception of his former partner, Dean Malenko (sp?).
When ECW first began, I'd flip it on, and watch Benoit and Malenko demonstrate what wrestling actually WAS...that is 'wrestling'. These motherfuckers never even gave interviews. They did their talking in the ring. How fuckin' cool was that?

Well, another legend gone before his time. The hereafter is loading up too fast with cool people.

[jdrock24]

WTF?!

This sounds awfully strange. His whole family? Dead? How can that happen? Food poisoning is the only thing I can think of.

He was an awesome wrestler. Wasn't he trained in the Hart basement? One of the few non-Harts to come out of there.

Well, this is getting stranger. I just saw on the news that the police are investigating this as a murder/suicide. Apparently, the allegation is that Benoit killed his wife and child over the weekend and then himself sometime today.

I hope these early reports are wrong...

[TheNewNo.2]

WWE.com apparently just announced that it was a murder-suicide, and the AP and other news outlets have announced that, too. The police have said that no guns or knives were involved in the deaths, but haven't announced, or don't know, what the cause of death was. I read in one report that the bodies were found in different rooms, and Benoit may have killed his wife and child over the weekend and himself today. He was in Texas this weekend for yesterday's pay-per-view, but left on Saturday to go home because of a "family emergency," so he apparently killed them after that. All in all a very disturbing situation.

[darklighter1]

WOW! What a scumbag. It's bad enough he kills his wife but how can you kill the kid too? Why can't assholes like this just kill themselves? WWE has to get regulated for steriod abuse. Sounds like a roid rage to me.

[Mr.T]

Sounds like a roid rage to me. I'm sorry, but IMO that's just an ignorant statement. :029:

[durcam]

Hmmmmm

[vgtek]

Definitely a shame...

[carlo_scute]

It's so sad, my prayers goes to them..

[kevdude82]

A murder-suicide. What...the...fuck.

[Creamy Goodness]

sad news all round
he was my fave wrestler

R.I.P. Benoit family

[RAZORMAID]

I seriously don't want to think it was a murder-suicide.

He would lose every ounce of respect he earned over his career and every accolade he received last night.

[darklighter1]

I'm sorry, but IMO that's just an ignorant statement. :029:

How is that an ignorant statement T? I guess you figure alot of these wrestlers get big through drinking there milk only? :007:

[jdrock24]

WWE.com apparently just announced that it was a murder-suicide, and the AP and other news outlets have announced that, too. The police have said that no guns or knives were involved in the deaths, but haven't announced, or don't know, what the cause of death was. I read in one report that the bodies were found in different rooms, and Benoit may have killed his wife and child over the weekend and himself today. He was in Texas this weekend for yesterday's pay-per-view, but left on Saturday to go home because of a "family emergency," so he apparently killed them after that. All in all a very disturbing situation.

I hadn't heard the part obout "no guns or knives involved". That would lead me back to the reasoning that it had to be some type of poison.

I still have a hard time believing that he killed his wife and son, and then himself. The curcumstances just seem too strange to me.

[DannyBoy2k]

I hadn't heard the part obout "no guns or knives involved". That would lead me back to the reasoning that it had to be some type of poison.

I still have a hard time believing that he killed his wife and son, and then himself. The curcumstances just seem too strange to me.

That they're dead is definite. Too many reports have been made for it to be a mistake. That they were killed is pretty much definite too. But, as far as I've been able to tell, there is no mention anyway of HOW they were killed. All I've found is a comment about the 'implements' or something similar being found at the scene, so the police isn't going off looking elsewhere.

[jdrock24]

That they're dead is definite. Too many reports have been made for it to be a mistake. That they were killed is pretty much definite too. But, as far as I've been able to tell, there is no mention anyway of HOW they were killed. All I've found is a comment about the 'implements' or something similar being found at the scene, so the police isn't going off looking elsewhere.

I wasn't trying to say that they weren't dead, just how and who did it. But it sounds like you're right, the police seem to be pretty sure that Chris did it since they are not looking anywhere else. They must have seen something that led them to believe so.

I wonder what the "strange text messages" that his friends in the WWE got? Is this where PW got the info that his "family was spitting up blood" that T mentioned in his first post?

[Mr.T]

How is that an ignorant statement T? I guess you figure alot of these wrestlers get big through drinking there milk only? :007:Not at all ... the remark you made about roid-rage was ignorant IMO; hence why i quoted it. how do you NOT understand that?!?! by your definition or claim, we should have a million murder-suicides daily/yearly/whatever because of this soo-called roid-rage. how many sports players are taking steroids? how many movie stars are taking steroids? how many public civilians are taking steroids? yet because one well-built individual kills somebody... oh my gawd - it must be roid-rage!!! stop the press! :)

[rocky509]

Shocking and crazy news wrestling nowadays.
Chris Benoit is a great wrestler man i fav him doing triple cross faced.
WWE is losing soul right now.I believe it's a cursed that 'Dead' Vince Mcmahon did
after he blow himself on his on limo few weeks ago.

[TheNewNo.2]

Just read this on PWInsider.com:


Grim details of the murder-suicide are coming to light. We have learned that authorities believe that Chris Benoit strangled his wife Nancy on Saturday, then killed his son Daniel on Sunday either by strangling him or smothering him in his bed. On Monday, he then hung himself, reportedly in the weight room of his Georgia home. More details are expected to be released by officials later today.


And this is from TMZ.com:

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to officially comment, pending final confirmation by the coroner on the cause and time of the deaths.

One source told TMZ that Benoit was texting friends during Sunday's WWE "Vengeance" Pay-Per-View program -- possibly watching the show with his son, who may have been alive at the time.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

Apparently, Benoit & his wife were having marital problems, and I've also read, although it's only a rumor, that he killed his wife Saturday night during an argument over her leaving him and taking their son. The fact that he may have watched the pay-per-view with his son a day after killing his wife and leaving her body in the house, and then texted friends at the WWE during the show is fucked up beyond belief.

There was also a report on the Associated Press that police were investigating whether steroids played any role in the murders. If they did, the WWE is going to have some major league explaining to do. When Eddie Guerrero died a couple years ago from steroid-related health issues, the WWE made a big announcement about its Wellness Program, and suspended several (small name) stars for steroid violations. During that time, a lot of WWE stars like Randy Orton and Chris Masters got noticeably smaller while others who were just musclemen who couldn't really wrestle, like Gene Snitsky, disappeared from WWE programming. Over the past several months, however, there have been rumors that the WWE's only been paying lip service to the Wellness Policy, and guys have been getting increasingly big and muscled-up again. Vince McMahon has always made a point of only pushing big, muscled-up guys as main event stars, and even told Randy Orton in a promo on Raw that he looked skinny and needed to get the in gym more, and a few months later, Orton became the centerpiece of the big Sports Illustrated story on steroids in wrestling. If it turns out that Benoit was using steroids, I'm sure it will be assumed that 'roid rage had something to do with it and the WWE's going to be in serious trouble about why it wasn't enforcing its own drug policy.

[Mr.T]

heaven forbid they blame the guy that probably had some mental issues... no, it's gotta be the steroids!

[darklighter1]

Not at all ... the remark you maid about roid-rage was ignorant; hence why i quoted it. how do you NOT understand that?!?! by your definition or claim, we should have a million murder-suicides daily/yearly/whatever because of this soo-called roid-rage. how many sports players are taking steroids? how many movie stars are taking steroids? how many public civilians are taking steroids? yet because one well-built individual kills somebody... oh my gawd - it must be roid-rage!!! stop the press! :)

Yeah well I think you're naive and ignorant to think it was otherwise. But whatever man. There is no other sport (if you can even call it that)...NONE!...where steroids is more prevalent and everyone looks the other way. Now of course not everyone is going to be effected the same way by them but I'll bet toxicology will show he was loaded with them.

[Mr.T]

Yeah well I think you're naive and ignorant to think it was otherwise. But whatever man. There is no other sport (if you can even call it that)...NONE!...where steroids is more prevalent and everyone looks the other way.

ummm, ever heard of professional body-building, baseball, football? if you think steroids are not more prevelant in those sports then i'm not sure what else to say.

Now of course not everyone is going to be effected the same way by them but I'll bet toxicology will show he was loaded with them. i don't doubt that for a second, but logic dictates that steroids is NOT the culprit (catalyst, maybe); otherwise we'd have rampant murder-suicides going on in high-schools and across all sports like football, baseball, track n field, etc. understand now?

[D'Artagnan]

This is sad, I was shocked. I thought Chris was a great wrestler.

heres the full article from WWE.com

Benoit's death part of a double murder-suicide
Written: June 25, 2007According to lead investigator Lt. Tommy Pope, of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department, in Fayetteville, Ga., the deaths of WWE Superstar Chris Benoit, wife Nancy and son Daniel were the result of a double murder-suicide, WWE.com has learned.

Benoit failed to appear both at Saturday’s live event in Beaumont, Texas, and WWE’s Vengeance: Night of Champions in Houston Sunday night, after informing WWE of a family emergency. Several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning prompted concerned friends to alert Richard Hering, VP of Government Relations for WWE, Inc. Hering, in turn, spoke with Fayette County sheriffs Monday, and requested they respond to the Benoit residence to check on him and his family.

Authorities representing the Sheriff’s Department initially had a difficult time entering Benoit’s new Fayetteville home Monday afternoon, which had been guarded by two large German Shepherds roaming freely around the property. Once authorities entered the residence, they quickly located the bodies of Benoit, Nancy and Daniel. WWE was notified of the discovery at approximately 4 p.m.

At 10 p.m. Monday night, Lt. Pope held a press conference in conjunction with Scott Ballard, the district attorney for Fayette County. The press conference officially ruled authorities’ findings as a double murder-suicide from within the home.

WAGA, a FOX-owned and operated television station in Atlanta, reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son over the weekend, then himself on Monday.

The three bodies have been received by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s crime lab, in Decatur, Ga., where autopsies will be performed Tuesday morning. Toxicology reports will not become available for at least two weeks.

[darklighter1]

ummm, ever heard of professional body-building, baseball, football? if you think steroids are not more prevelant in those sports then i'm not sure what else to say.


Body building maybe but please if you think steriod abuse is anywhere near as abusive in all the other sports combined as it is in Wrestling then I don't know what else to say to you man. There is no one in any of the other sports that is as jacked up as the Wrestling goons. Even Bonds isn't as big as say a guy like Triple X? Is that still his name? Besides these other sports are more regulated and HGH isn't technically the same thing as steriods.


i don't doubt that for a second, but logic dictates that steroids is NOT the culprit (catalyst, maybe); otherwise we'd have rampant murder-suicides going on in high-schools and across all sports like football, baseball, track n field, etc. understand now?

I understand your point but most normal people don't act out and kill their family unless there is some sort of chemical inducement. Yes sometimes it's just outright mental illness but most times when something like this happens there is a chemical involved whether it's anti depressants or flonaze or steroids. And when you look at that meathead I doubt it's the first two. You understand?

[Mr.T]

<s></s>just don't believe everything you watch on the tele...

Body building maybe but please if you think steriod abuse is anywhere near as abusive in all the other sports combined as it is in Wrestling then I don't know what else to say to you man. There is no one in any of the other sports that is as jacked up as the Wrestling goons. Even Bonds isn't as big as say a guy like Triple X? Is that still his name? Besides these other sports are more regulated and HGH isn't technically the same thing as steriods.how many pro-wrestlers are there. how many professional NFL football players are there? now let's talk about size.

Re: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_height_and_weight_of_an_NFL_fo otball_player (http://www.sputtergutter.net/forums/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2 FQ%2FWhat_is_the_average_height_and_weight_of_an_N FL_football_player)

It depends on the position of the player. But if it's an offensive linemen: Avg. size is about 6'3 in the high 290s-300 range. Some can weigh as much as 350 lbs. A fullback would be about 6'2 240.

Team averages are at: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6628372 (http://www.sputtergutter.net/forums/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fnews %2Fstory%2F6628372)

This shows that average player is 6'1.5" and 245 lbs. that's just the averages of the NFL. i'm sorry, but very very few pro-wrestlers even come close to that. their stats are grossly exaggerated to make them appear much larger then they actually are. that's entertainment. you can meet these guys any day of the week in person in Los Angeles or wherever the hell they live. i'd say a good amount of them prbably top out around 220-225. i had a hard time finding anything online that states otherwise. you also mention TripleH which i think was claimed to have been 260 at one point in his "steroid" career. he's nowhere near that in real life on a day to day basis. yes, i've seen him in person and i'd say maybe 240 just because he's tall. professional sportsmen carry their weight season-long. if you don't think steroids are rampant in sports you gotta another thing coming.
I understand your point but most normal people don't act out and kill their family unless there is some sort of chemical inducement. Yes sometimes it's just outright mental illness but most times when something like this happens there is a chemical involved whether it's anti depressants or flonaze or steroids. And when you look at that meathead I doubt it's the first two. You understand? i guess you don't understand my point or don't know what catalyst means. i understand clearly, but you do not. my advice is to let this argument go until you're more knowledgeable on the subject.

[darklighter1]

<s></s>just don't believe everything you watch on the tele...

how many pro-wrestlers are there. how many professional NFL football players are there? now let's talk about size.

Re: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_height_and_weight_of_an_NFL_fo otball_player (http://www.sputtergutter.net/forums/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2 FQ%2FWhat_is_the_average_height_and_weight_of_an_N FL_football_player)

that's just the averages of the NFL. i'm sorry, but very very few pro-wrestlers even come close to that. their stats are grossly exaggerated to make them appear much larger then they actually are. that's entertainment. you can meet these guys any day of the week in person in Los Angeles or wherever the hell they live. i'd say a good amount of them prbably top out around 220-225. i had a hard time finding anything online that states otherwise. you also mention TripleH which i think was claimed to have been 260 at one point in his "steroid" career. he's nowhere near that in real life on a day to day basis. yes, i've seen him in person and i'd say maybe 240 just because he's tall. professional sportsmen carry their weight season-long. if you don't think steroids are rampant in sports you gotta another thing coming.
i guess you don't understand my point or don't know what catalyst means. i understand clearly, but you do not. my advice is to let this argument go until you're more knowledgeable on the subject.

WOW! That was pretty fucking rude T. I guess we can't all be as smart as you cause you obviously know it all. I understood YOUR point and know what a catalyst is apparently you don't. You choose to live in dream world where steroids have nothing to do with peoples behaviors and I live in the real world. Whatever man, I bet more people agree with me here then you. Of course most won't say anything for fear of being banned, because no one can disagree with T.

Try not not to talk down to people and open your mind to other possibilities besides the ones in your narrow point of view. You can reply back but I'm done, and not coming back to this thread. If you want to continue just PM me.

[Mr.T]

WOW! That was pretty fucking rude T. I guess we can't all be as smart as you cause you obviously know it all. I understood YOUR point and know what a catalyst is apparently you don't. You choose to live in dream world where steroids have nothing to do with peoples behaviors and I live in the real world. Whatever man, I bet more people agree with me here then you. Of course most won't say anything for fear of being banned, because no one can disagree with T.

Try not not to talk down to people and open your mind to other possibilities besides the ones in your narrow point of view. You can reply back but I'm done, and not coming back to this thread. If you want to continue just PM me.
anyone can be as smart as me, they just have to study more then your average homeboy. i never claimed to know it all or much of anything except for a whole shitload on this particular subject matter. i could school your ass any day of the week in regards to anabolics. your logic is flawed, your supporting arguments are flawed, your case in point is flawed as i proved. it's you that are living in a dream-world which is obvious by your statements thus far. i never once said that steroids have nothing to do with people behaviors as i've tried to convey twice now. YOU sir, haven't picked up on that. what i've said is that they are not the sole cause of any behavior. i guess you missed that point too... the whole catalyst thing. as for more people believing you then me, i could care less. i'm not keeping a score card here. what i'm doing is correcting your misinformation on a forum... that's all. you're more then welcome to rant as much as you want, but when you start saying shit that is just silly, and about something i believe in - i'm gonna step in. i'm not picking on you or anything bro, don't take is soo pesonally! read the messages again, you kinda attacked me first. i just said a comment you made was ignorant IMO. i'm not coming down on your character or anything. anyone is more then welcome to correct me if they want, but know that i've been studying anabolics for over 10 years now so come prepared. i won't ban anyone over discussing something unless they start getting disruptive to the forum as a whole or to any individual user here more then necessary. i expect anyone here to be able to take a little here and there. if you can't then this forum isn't for you.

[RAZORMAID]

WWE is trying to fight back the "roid rage sensational reporting" as well.


1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.

2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit's state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.

WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.

As for Benoit himself, murdering his wife and child is simply unforgivable. I can state quite matter-of-factly that every bit of admiration I had for him as a wrestler IS GONE.

[TheNewNo.2]

It's pretty clear that the media's going to focus entirely on steroids & 'roid rage, whether or not it actually played a role, and the WWE's being proactive in defending itself. Speaking of which, I found this bizarre tidbit in this article on ESPN.com: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized.

I have no idea if that's the normal procedure for an undersized 7 year-old (if the kid was actually "medically" undersized), but the whole situation just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

I doubt there's any way steroids could be proved or disproved from having had a role, but if Benoit's toxicology tests come back positive for steroids, every news outlet in the country will jump all over it as proof of steroids being the cause. And considering that the police found prescribed steroids in the house, I'd guess there's a good chance the tests will indeed be positive. I just watched an interview with Bret "the Hitman" Hart, who was friends with Benoit from way back, and when the interviewer asked him about 'roid rage being a possibility, Hart said that he'd wait to find out the results of drug tests and if Benoit is found to be steroid free, then he'd rule that out. Even if 'roid rage triggered the initial murder of his wife, Benoit must've been suffering from some serious mental illness to wait several hours before killing his son and then staying in the house for another day before killing himself.

Here's the Bret Hart interview if anybody's interested: http://video.canada.com/Global_VideoContentHTML.aspx

I was also wondering if concussions may have played a role, since that NFL player Andre Waters killed himself a few months ago because of depression brought about by multiple concussions. I'm sure Benoit had concussions--I'd guess there's never been a pro wrestler who hasn't--but I can't remember every hearing about him suffering from them the way other wrestlers have. Oddly enough, before the "Mr. McMahon is dead" angle, the WWE was doing a bunch of concussion angles, too, with Randy Orton laying out Shaun Michaels and Rob Van Damm with concussions. All of that's conjecture, though, and I'm sure we'll never know what caused him to snap like he did.

Pro wrestling is one incredibly strange business, but this is by far the most insane event I've ever heard of in it, including Owen Hart falling from the rafters and dying live on a pay-per-view, Bruiser Brody being murdered by another wrestler backstage at an event in Puerto Rico, and Sid Vicious stabbing Arn Anderson with a pair of scissors in a street fight.

[jdrock24]

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

Does anyone else find this paragraph from WWE.com the most disturbing? This seems to indicate that Chris Benoit killed his family deliberately, not in a fit of rage. Like he was planning it.

And what was the deal with the bibles? I think it was a little bit late to be sucking up to the big guy, don't you?

[BigDaddy_GFS]

This case becomes stranger and more disturbing as it develops.
I hope it blows the lid off the secret culture of drug use, and cover-ups, that Vince McMahon has cultivated over the years.

I know all the facts arent in yet, and I'm not saying 'roids caused it. But the case will bring more attention to the situation.

[D'Artagnan]

ok on the news tonight they said he choked his wife to death, suffocated his son, and hung himself in his gym.

then they found roids in his house. this just gets more messed up every hour.

[durcam]

The former wife of pro wrestling superstar "Stone Cold" Steve Austin broke what had been a court-imposed silence and charged that "domestic and drug abuse is out of hand in the WWE and something needs to be done about it."

Debra Williams' stunning charge, reported Wednesday by MyFoxColorado.com, comes in the wake of the grisly discovery of the bodies of Chris Benoit and his wife, Nancy-Daus Benoit, and 7-year-old son, Daniel.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286924,00.html

Hmmmmm.........

[DannyBoy2k]

Does anyone else find this paragraph from WWE.com the most disturbing? This seems to indicate that Chris Benoit killed his family deliberately, not in a fit of rage. Like he was planning it.

And what was the deal with the bibles? I think it was a little bit late to be sucking up to the big guy, don't you?

Not necessarily. All it does mean is that he didn't fly off the handle and did it in a furious state of mind. It still could be that he did it, and this isn't a good phrase, but on the spur of the moment.

As for drugs, culture of drug-use, and steroid abuse...he passed a drug test 3 months ago. And remember, Eddie Guerrero stated that Vince FIRED him for drug-abuse...doesn't sound like the kind of environment where substance abuse would be missed, OR forgiven.

[Luggy]

apparently his son had a form of autism.

link to article
http://www.news1130.com/news/topstory/article.jsp?content=20070626_212836_4500

[lets_procreate]

It's just like when Eddie Guerrero died. We couldn't believe the circumstances under which it had happened. Sad reality is that it did and a year from now, noone is going to remember it, unless the media decide to replay the news story. I'll remember him most for Wrestlemania 20 where he hugged Eddie Guerrero after they both won Championship titles.

There is talk about there being anabolic steroids found in his home. It's assumed by media outlets that Benoit was giving them to his 7-year old son because they believed Daniel was undersize for his age. It is also assumed that Nancy had a safe deposit box filled with reports of rage-related incidents.

It's not the way I would want to be remembered, so why should we remember Chris Benoit for the last actions he ever took?

[RAZORMAID]

It's not the way I would want to be remembered, so why should we remember Chris Benoit for the last actions he ever took?

WWE has DELETED every tribute to him and all his merchandise from the WWE homepage. Plus they confiscated signs at Tuesday's taping of SMACKDOWN. Benoit has fallen from grace to the point that he's worse than a leper, and the bastard deserves it. Eddie is still respected, but even Benoit's most ardent fans hate his guts now.

[lets_procreate]

I despise the actions he took but will remember him (for now) as a great performer and entertainer.

[DannyBoy2k]

In order...

Daniel, Benoits son, apperently had Fragile X syndrome. While the illness has autism-like parts, it isn't autism as such. For those that are interested, more info at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragile_X
As an aside, one of the hypothesized reason for Benoit killing his son is that he was afraid that the boys needs wouldn't be properly met, with his mother dead, and his father in jail.

As for the anabolic steroids found at his house, they were indeed there. They were, however, PRESCRIBED. The chances of this being a so-called 'roid rage' are slim. Not the least due to the fact that there most likely IS no such thing. More likely, and what people is starting to suspect is CTE. This is of course just another hypothesis at the time, but...

And lastly...'deserves it'? I would have to say that he BY FUCK! does not! That he went off his rocker and killed his family and then himself is pretty clear by no...but it's also pretty clear that what he did is NOT a sane thing to do. HE had to, for some reason or another, be seriously mentally unbalanced at the time. Does this excuse what he did? No, it does not. But it DOES mean that 'the bastard' does NOT deserve being made a paria. The only way we'd be able to say that he deerves what is happening to him and his memory now, is if we KNEW why he did what he did...but the only one that knows that is he himself.

At the end, all *I* can say is that I'll go with lets_procreate. What happened is horrible and despicable. But, he was still a very great performer and entertainer for 20 years. And that should be remembered.

[jdrock24]

I despise the actions he took but will remember him (for now) as a great performer and entertainer.

At the end, all *I* can say is that I'll go with lets_procreate. What happened is horrible and despicable. But, he was still a very great performer and entertainer for 20 years. And that should be remembered.

I'm sure people will remember what a great wrestler he was. However, he will always have a "but" attached to him.

"Chris Benoit was a great wrestler, BUT he killed his wife and child." <-That's never going to go away. People may not say it out loud, but you know they are thinking it.

[rocky509]

I'm sure people will remember what a great wrestler he was. However, he will always have a "but" attached to him.

"Chris Benoit was a great wrestler, BUT he killed his wife and child." <-That's never going to go away. People may not say it out loud, but you know they are thinking it.

Well said.:D

[hixxy]

Nacys death was posted on Wikipedia 14 hours before the police found the bodies!

And the IP is in Stamford, where WWE Headquarters is.... Either a very weird coincident or someone knew..

[RAZORMAID]

And lastly...'deserves it'? I would have to say that he BY FUCK! does not! That he went off his rocker and killed his family and then himself is pretty clear by no...but it's also pretty clear that what he did is NOT a sane thing to do. HE had to, for some reason or another, be seriously mentally unbalanced at the time. Does this excuse what he did? No, it does not. But it DOES mean that 'the bastard' does NOT deserve being made a paria. The only way we'd be able to say that he deerves what is happening to him and his memory now, is if we KNEW why he did what he did...but the only one that knows that is he himself.

He DOES deserve to be a pariah which is why he's been slashed and burnt from anything WWE related from this point on. Do not try to tell me that we should still respect him as a wrestler and praise him for that and blame it all on SANITY.

It seems pretty clear that Chris Benoit went home over the weekend, strangled his wife on Saturday, waited an entire day, then smothered his 7-year old son and after another day, hung himself. This is not a wild crime of passion. He waited a whole day between the murders and another before taking his own life. Maybe he did snap but it wasn't a sudden one, it was a cold and calculated one.

Knowing WHY he did what he did would never change the fact that he CALCULATINGLY MURDERED a defenseless little 7 year old boy, his own son. He is a fucking bastard for doing that. You cannot seriously expect anyone to remember his "great" career without also remembering that HE HIMSELF destroyed his legacy in the most HORRIFIC of ways, and only has himself to blame.

Latest reports were that friends thought that

- Chris was ticked off about being demoted to ECW
- His wife wanted him to spend a heck of a lot more time at home to take care of Daniel since she couldn't take care of him alone 25 days a month
- Her neck surgery was affecting her attitude and ability to take care of Daniel.

All signs point to a huge arguement ending with him freaking out, killing Nancy, then realizing that he'd be in jail and not being able to take care of Daniel, he decided to kill him and kill himself.

[BigDaddy_GFS]

All signs point to a huge arguement ending with him freaking out, killing Nancy, then realizing that he'd be in jail and not being able to take care of Daniel, he decided to kill him and kill himself.


Actually, that makes sense. If he was 'roids, and she was harping at him at the wrong time, he might've snapped and choked her. In grief, he might've realized he had pretty much doomed his career, and the welfare of his kid.

I just shake my head. It's such a horrible tragedy.

[durcam]

A week to the day before pro wrestling wife Nancy Benoit was found murdered in her suburban Atlanta home, the body of former pro wrestler and manager Sherri Martel was discovered in her mother's Alabama home, the cause of death unknown.

Martel, a pro wrestler in the WWE Hall of Fame who went by the ring name "Sensational Sherri," and who later managed the likes of "The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase, Ric Flair and "Macho Man" Randy Savage, was found dead by her husband Robert Schrull at her mother's home in McCalla, Ala., on June 15, according to the Tuscaloosa News newspaper.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287182,00.html

Hmmmm.........

[DannyBoy2k]

Try this: Shayne Bower, AKA Biff Wellington, found dead, probably of a heart attack, during the past weekend. While not well known, one of the things he IS known for is tagging...with Benoit.


I don't get this 'roid rage' happiness...is it some sort of need to blame something? There is little to no evidence that this even exists. Ah, well. Anyways:

No, probably nobody reported Nancy being dead 14 hours before. Someone VANDALIZED the page 14 hours before. The IP of the vandalization came from Stanford, true...but after it was removed, it was then re-written into the article, again before the police found the bodies, this time from Australia. Thus, extremely likely nothing more than a freak occurance. Still, the police WILL investigate this.


Ok. So, a guy who worked for 20 years for a company, and during this time, FOR this company, took so much head trauma that doctors suspect CTE, an illness that causes demntia, memory loss and Altzheimers-like symptoms, and which one doctor described an otherwise completely healthy, NFL-player as having 'the brain of an 85-year-old' with massive scarring, should be treated worse than a leper? I don't buy that. HE was clearly not in his right mind.

Do I think that excuse what he did? Not in the least. Do I think he should be hailed? No. It's horrible what he did. But if he'd been well, he wouldn't have DONE it. So, while he shouldn't be treated like a hero, he shouldn't be treated like an outcast either.

As for CALCULATINGLY killing Daniel? Says WHAT? Nothing. There is no more evidence for THAT than there is for him doing it while being out of his head. For all we know, he 'woke up' out of dementia with his wife and son dead in the house, and he snapped, went down into the basement and hung himself.

As for what his 'friends' says...that borders on hearsay, and third-hand hearsay. 'I heard that this guy said he'd read that Benoits friends had said...'
Seeing as how I suspect he'd won the ECW-belt, or at least would've been the first challenger for it, *I* would suspect he wouldn't mind going to ECW. But, that's an aside.

Basically, what has happened is horrible. That he did it is horrible. But, no-one knows WHY he did it. We might NEVER know why he did it. But people are really keen on distancing themself, and treating him and his memory as trash.


My opinion, and I'll stick to it. You may feel diffrently, and you're welcome to do so. But I feel that it's wrong to shit all over the guy and his accomplishments. Like jdrock24 said, there will always be a 'but' attached, unless the investigation, which is still ongoing let us remember, finds something surprising. But, that is all to the good in a way. 'See how even the greatest can fall' sorta thing. But do remember 20 years of spectacular matches and entertainment.

[RAZORMAID]

The following is from Bruce Hart, one of those who started off Benoit's career in wrestling.

He thoroughly fucks Benoit up the ass with his comments. Maybe you need to rethink your own opinion based on these comments from someone who really knew him.

Chris Benoit was a "delusional juice freak" who chased the dark side and had trouble distinguishing between his fictional character and reality, says the man who started him out in professional wrestling.

"The last time I saw him he was in pretty rough shape mentally," said Bruce Hart, son of the legendary Stu Hart. "I didn't know all the details but I knew it wasn't good. I was not at all shocked (by what happened).

"If I could see and determine that in a few visits, how the hell could they (World Wrestling Entertainment) not have known something was wrong? (In my opinion) I think the WWE needs to re-evaluate what it is doing here."

Hart will not simplify the shocking murder of Benoit's wife and 7-year-old son or the eventual suicide of the wrestler by attributing it only to steroid usage. But he truly believes that steroid abuse, in combination with delusional behaviour, painkillers and failing health -- "almost all the people we started out with (who did steroids) began breaking down around 40," Hart said -- is a deadly cocktail that needs to be further examined.

"I've known too many wrestlers who couldn't separate the character they play on television from their real life," said Hart, who has wrestled professionally, promoted wrestling and trained wrestlers all his life.

"Wrestlers start believing their press clippings and what is said on television. It's like an actor leaving the set but still playing the part. There's a delusional element to this. I've seen it over and over again. Some people can't separate the character from real life, and Chris was one of those people.

"From my experience, that has been quite prevalent with wrestlers and that becomes exacerbated by steroids, drugs, painkillers and failing health."

They hadn't seen each other much over the past few years, with Hart still in Calgary and Benoit working the circuit. "We saw each other mostly at funerals," Hart said. "At my brother's (Owen), my dad's, my brother-in-law's (Davey Boy Smith). Not that long ago I was talking to Hillbilly Jim and we were reminiscing a little. I told him I was worried about Chris."

While the WWE has a drug-testing policy, Hart believes they should bring in psychologists and physicians to evaluate not only their drug-testing procedures but how they treat their athletes, deal with them, and the toll their gimmicks take on the lives of their performers.

"Imagine if Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux and Mark Messier were all dead in their 40s. Imagine what the reaction would be?" Hart asked. "There would be investigations and more investigations. Wouldn't people want to know what happened and why?"

Hart was also deeply angered that the WWE aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit on Monday night.

"I kept hearing 'He was a nice guy, a great guy' and I knew him when he was a kid. But all I know now is he's a murderer," Hart said. In my opinion, "for them to do a tribute show was disgraceful."

Officials at WWE Canada refused to comment yesterday.

WWE owner Vince McMahon told NBC Today Show viewers yesterday that "steroids may or may not have had anything to do with this. It's all speculation until the toxicology reports come back."

Hart did wonder if Benoit had been given an unfavourable medical report, which may been another factor in his violent behaviour. "A lot of the steroid users start getting liver and kidney problems around the age of 40," Hart said. "There are a lot of wrestlers out there who are dead that you never heard about whose bodies broke down. I've known others who had looming health issues and went a little crazy. Maybe this caused him to go off."

[Mr.T]

The following is from Bruce Hart, one of those who started off Benoit's career in wrestling.

He thoroughly fucks Benoit up the ass with his comments. Maybe you need to rethink your own opinion based on these comments from someone who really knew him.
wow, where did you get all that from? i just watched a television interview with him, and he didn't say anything even close to that... actually quite the opposite. he's live on CNN right now praising the guy.

[lets_procreate]

Why are people trying to manipulate our opinions? People think they know the guy just because they see him on TV every week. We know nothing about his personal life. All of a sudden something tragic happens and everyone jumps on the bandwagon trying to ruin the memory of his career with speculation, assumptions and heresay. Not only is what he did despicable, but all of you who judge this man you don't know, are just as vile. You know what? http://fapomatic.com/0725/avatar70_30.gif. I don't care no more.

[Mr.T]

:(

[RAZORMAID]

but all of you who judge this man you don't know, are just as vile.

Don't put me in the same league with someone who murdered his family. Your analogy is the most foolish thing in this entire thread, so instead of swiping my avatar and trying to preach a load of bullshit, just do as you said, "don't care" and hit the road toots :p You've added your contributions throughout this thread and now want to bitch about it? If you want to adore him as a wrestler, go right ahead son, but I'll stick with those who have chosen to EXPUNGE the asshole completely from WWE, including the WWE itself. Benoit's final moments have destroyed his entire legacy in the WWE to the point that they have discontinued selling anything to do with him.

wow, where did you get all that from? i just watched a television interview with him, and he didn't say anything even close to that... actually quite the opposite. he's live on CNN right now praising the guy.


http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007/06/29/4299824-sun.html

[lets_procreate]

"Judge not lest ye be judged!" I don't call that bullshit, do you?

You've added your contributions throughout this thread and now want to bitch about it?

:013:

I've not been the only one contributing, but I've been one of the few who haven't bad-mouthed the man in this unfortunate moment. If people want to remember the very worst, then so be it. I shall indeed continue to treasure the memories we were left with.:041:

[DannyBoy2k]

AND, from the very same newspaper, another quote:

Bret "Hitman" Hart says drugs aren't to blame for Chris Benoit's death.

Unlike what his brother Bruce told Sun Media, Hart described Benoit as level-headed and down-to-earth, and rejected the image of him as moody and quiet.

"I never saw him lose his temper or act strange or weird," he said. "I don't remember Chris as being a guy who took a lot of pills or drank too hard.

"I think you'll find over the next few weeks this steroid thing was played up too much."


Interesting, that. And, as lets_procreate said, you don't know him. I don't know him. We've seen him on television, and that's it. It's really easy to trash someone from behind the nice, calm, safe computer screen. Judge not, indeed.

[lets_procreate]

It's also noted that a toxicology report will not be available for two or three weeks. That should put to rest SOME questions over his sobriety and his mental state.

[RAZORMAID]

Interesting, that. And, as lets_procreate said, you don't know him. I don't know him. We've seen him on television, and that's it. It's really easy to trash someone from behind the nice, calm, safe computer screen. Judge not, indeed.

Oh please forgive me for not saying positive, sweet sounding things about someone who tied up his wife and strangled her to death. :catfight:

[DannyBoy2k]

Oh please forgive me for not saying positive, sweet sounding things about someone who tied up his wife and strangled her to death. :catfight:


You're forgiven. Now, please forgive ME for saying positive things about a man that worked his ass off to entertain and please people for 20 years, that people that actually knew him says is the last person they'd think would do anything like this, that, since the investigation is ongoing we DON'T KNOW did anything of the sort. Suspect, yes. Highly likely, yes. But, being non-american, I still thought you had this 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' thing going?

Ah, well, this is deteriorating into 'did not, did too'.

[RAZORMAID]

You're forgiven. Now, please forgive ME for saying positive things about a man that worked his ass off to entertain and please people for 20 years, that people that actually knew him says is the last person they'd think would do anything like this, that, since the investigation is ongoing we DON'T KNOW did anything of the sort. Suspect, yes. Highly likely, yes. But, being non-american, I still thought you had this 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' thing going?

Ah, well, this is deteriorating into 'did not, did too'.

You have to be joking. How do you expect him to be proven innocent?

His actions that weekend have ECLIPSED his 20 years of contribution to wrestling. It will be very, very hard to view a Benoit match or dvd without acknowledging what he did to his family. That's why his "Hard Knocks - The Chris Benoit story" dvd has been pulled from sale in the USA and will never be remade (you might only find it on eBay now).

My guess is you're silently hoping for something to be revealed in this investigation that exonerates the man. Maybe Nancy tied up herself and bruised her body by herself and strangled herself? Maybe you're hoping that Benoit wasn't sane, that this was a lapse on his part even though he was sane enough to send text messages throughout the weekend (it was those same texts that got the WWE worried so they made the call to the local sherrif to investigate...Benoit provided his real physical address in those texts, he KNEW what he did).

Benoit's wife had spoken about abuse before, almost divorced him about 3-4 years ago, so hearing guys like Bret Hart sing his praises and finding it hard to believe he could do something like this is completely hysterical.

You might think I'm coming down hard on Benoit. Until June 25th, he was one of my favourite wrestlers (I've been a fan ever since I first saw Goldust around 1997). But I absolutely abhor violence against women (being one myself) and kids (being a mom myself) and I can never again respect Benoit for anything.

[Mr.T]

WSBTV.com
Channel 2 Obtains Picture Of Benoit At Doctor's Office

POSTED: 3:55 pm EDT June 28, 2007
UPDATED: 3:59 pm EDT June 28, 2007

ATLANTA -- WSB-TV Channel 2 has obtained a photograph of a a smiling Chris Benoit at his doctor's office Friday afternoon just hours before he went home and killed his wife and son and then committed suicide.

The picture was snapped by a wrestling fan at Dr. Phil Astin's office in Carrollton.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6011/13589245xi1.jpg

Federal drug agents and sheriff's officials raided that office Wednesday night in search of records and other items in a warrant.

The fan who took the picture described Benoit as soft-spoken and "nice." He signed an autograph for the woman.

Agent Chuvalo Truesdell, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration in Atlanta, said Thursday that the raid at Astin's office in Carrollton began Wednesday night and concluded early Thursday morning.

Truesdell said a search warrant obtained by the Fayette County Sheriff's Department in connection with the Benoit investigation was executed there.

He said records and other items were being sought, but he said he could not immediately be more specific. Truesdell also was unable to say what was seized. No arrests were made.

Benoit had been under the care of Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone levels. Astin said yesterday the condition likely originated from previous steroid use.

Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed when Benoit visited his office on Friday.

Over the weekend, Benoit killed his wife and son and then killed himself at their home in Fayetteville.

Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs played a role in the slayings. Some experts believe steroids cause paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."

Copyright 2007 by WSBTV.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[BigDaddy_GFS]

Benoit doctor charged in drug probe

ATLANTA - The personal doctor of pro wrestler Chris Benoit was charged Monday with improperly dispensing painkillers and other drugs.


The seven-count indictment said Dr. Phil Astin dispensed drugs including Percocet, Xanax, Lorcet and Vicoprofen between April 2004 and September 2005.

The recipients were identified in the indictment by the initials O.G. and M.J. Benoit's initials were not listed.

Astin was expected to make an initial court appearance Monday afternoon.

A criminal complaint was also filed, but was under seal. A law enforcement official close to the case, who spoke on condition of anonymity before the hearing, said the case involves steroids.

Federal drug agents have taken over the probe into whether Astin improperly prescribed testosterone and other drugs to Benoit before the wrestler killed his wife and son and committed suicide in his suburban Atlanta home last month. State prosecutors and sheriff's officials are overseeing the death investigation.

Federal prosecutors are seeking the forfeiture of all property and proceeds Astin obtained through the illegal conduct if he's convicted.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070702/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead

[tommykhu550]

i was a fan of benoit's too. just wish his family the best

[D'Artagnan]

any updates here?

[lets_procreate]

Chris Benoit was positive for Xanex at 50 micrograms per liter. Hydrocodone 45 micrograms per liter. Theraputic range and not toxic. Chris Benoit's urine tested positive for the steroid testosterone at 207 micrograms per liter. The elevated level in the urine. No other steroids found in his urine. GHB was not found in any 3 of the individuals.

Nancy Benoit had 3 different drugs in her system. Hydrocodone (Mortab, Morset at 120 micrograms per liter. Hydromorphone directly from the brakedown. Xanex at 23 micrograms per liter. All 3 drugs are at a theraputic level - not toxic levels. The body was decomposing at the time of the toxicology report and that could have affected the drug levels. Blood 0.184.

Daniel's blood tested positive for Xanex at 100 micrograms per liter. Elevated. Not a drug that would be given to a child. Based upon this finding, it is their opinion that Daniel was sedated by Xanex at the time of his death.