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carmel300zx
July 22nd, 2007, 06:22 PM
I am sorry, but I can not believe Michael Vick did not know about dog fighting at his house. I think the league should suspend his ass!!

dizturbd
July 22nd, 2007, 06:36 PM
Definitely. There's a ton of speculation right now that he's done. PETA has asked the Falcons to "sack" him. His endorsements are probably history and he may be headed for prison.

I always thought he had more character than this. What a shame.

Mr.T
July 22nd, 2007, 06:40 PM
yes.

darklighter1
July 22nd, 2007, 07:26 PM
Definitely. There's a ton of speculation right now that he's done. PETA has asked the Falcons to "sack" him. His endorsements are probably history and he may be headed for prison.

I always thought he had more character than this. What a shame.

What ever gave you the impression he had more character than this? :D

Splashdown
July 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM
They should let him play then if he doesn't perform well they should drown, shoot, hang, electrocute and/or strangle him just like he did with his dogs.

ÜberDork
July 22nd, 2007, 09:18 PM
As a dog owner, I think dog fighting is reprehensible and I find it hard to believe that anyone can do something this cruel.

But why should this guy be suspended or fired just because he is an NFL player? If that is true, we should suspend or fire anyone for any illegal/"immoral" behavior. Otherwise it is just a form of moral relativism.

Oh, and excuse me . . . just why do we hold professional athletes up on a pedestal? Because they are our modern-day heroes? Because they have million-dollar salaries? Because they are local leaders? If that is the case we, as a society, need to reexamine who we make into our heroes/leaders.

westside08
July 22nd, 2007, 09:53 PM
definitely...must run in the family, apparently his younger brother has had a ton of character problems while playing college ball

darklighter1
July 22nd, 2007, 10:44 PM
They should let him play then if he doesn't perform well they should drown, shoot, hang, electrocute and/or strangle him just like he did with his dogs.

I like it! I personally think the guy is the most overrated player in not only the NFL but all of sports (actually unless you call dog fighting a sport, in that case he seems to be an expert). He'd be probably the greatest running back in the game if that was his true position but as a QB he sucks. Atlanta is going to be in trouble with this guy one way or the other.

BigDaddy_GFS
July 22nd, 2007, 11:42 PM
IF he didn't mastermind the dog-fighting racket, he surely must;ve known about it. This was a big operation that took considerable time and resources to assemble and maintain it.

He can't simply feign ignorance. That's an insult to reasonable people.

Suspension is a good idea. It reflects poorly on the sport. And miscreants need to understand that a fat paycheck earned in the sport doesn't earn you a blank check outside the sport.

If I had been accused of this shit, they would've kicked in my doors, and drug me off in the middle of the night.

They should throw the cleats at him.

tolomei
July 23rd, 2007, 11:57 AM
yes.

What he said.....but as someone who used to live in Atlanta I can assure you the Falcons will do everything they can to keep him on the field. The whole city protects Vick and anyone who says anything bad about him must either be a racist or have an agenda.

Splashdown
July 25th, 2007, 07:09 PM
What he said.....but as someone who used to live in Atlanta I can assure you the Falcons will do everything they can to keep him on the field. The whole city protects Vick and anyone who says anything bad about him must either be a racist or have an agenda.

You would protect Vick too if all you had was Joey Harrington as a backup QB

TheNewNo.2
August 20th, 2007, 05:35 PM
Mrs. Vick must be so proud. Who ever would have thought that Marcus would end up being the "good" son. Everybody remember to take him off your fantasy football draft list.

Prosecutors are hoping for 12-18 months in federal prison, but he's facing a tough judge and could get up to 5 years. Assuming a minimum sentence and at least a 1 year ban from the NFL following that, the earliest he might return to football (if he ever does) is probably 2010 (personally, I hope this POS never plays another down in the NFL again).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2983121

Luggy
August 22nd, 2007, 01:14 AM
vick is a turd....i hope he is gone forever

Mr.T
August 22nd, 2007, 06:49 PM
In failing Vick, NFL Players Association fails itself
<hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="100%"> By Howard Bryant
ESPN.com

And so it is done. Michael Vick is finished and likely heading to prison. His battle is now with the federal government and the cold reality that whenever he emerges from his punishment, he will not be the same man he is today. While the federal government, the NFL and Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank all stand tall today, it is the NFL Players Association and head Gene Upshaw who stand to lose the most. Although public recognition is not always the best barometer of influence, Upshaw nevertheless has not been mentioned as a power player involved at the table negotiating Vick's return or the terms of Vick's inevitable suspension. By making player conduct his first big task, the matter upon which he has staked the first year of his term as commissioner, Goodell focused on an issue that certainly appealed to fans and simultaneously put the NFLPA on the defensive. Goodell has been strong on this subject, and the union has been on the run ever since. Instead, the union is gambling that its partnership with Goodell is more valuable than the kind of adversarial approach other sports unions have with their commissioners. Upshaw is banking on cultivating the commissioner and his office to avoid surprises and possible embarrassment for either side. Although many of his defenders believe this is the correct approach, the reality is the union has allowed itself to be upstaged. And now Upshaw's absence in the Vick case is a chilling signal to every player donning a helmet in the NFL today. In a statement earlier this week, Upshaw said the criminal conduct to which Vick will plead guilty "cannot be condoned under any circumstances." "Speaking personally, as I have previously stated, the practice of dogfighting is offensive and completely unacceptable," Upshaw said. "I can only hope that Mr. Vick, who is a young man, will learn from this awful experience." <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td rowspan="2" width="5"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="5"></td><td width="275">http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0822/nfl_a_upshaw_275.jpg</td></tr><tr><td width="275">NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, left, and NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw have a "no surprises" approach to dealing with issues, sources say.</td></tr></tbody></table> Upshaw's statement read as an abandonment of Vick and a capitulation to Goodell, forcing the union and its players to wrestle with an uncomfortable question: Must the union, to preserve balance with an ambitious commissioner, defend even the indefensible? Today, in the case of Vick and during Goodell's short term, the union's answer appears to be no. In the coming years, that will prove to be a colossal mistake. Vick deserves to go to prison, but the union's job is to defend every player's right to work. The Major League Baseball Players Association, built and sustained by Marvin Miller, Donald Fehr and three generations of resolute players, long ago answered the question of defending the indefensible. The multiple drug abuse cases of Steve Howe, the spitting incident of Roberto Alomar and most recently the way the players association has handled much of the steroids era have served as examples of a union not finding itself on the right or popular side of an issue and at risk of damaging its public image. The rationale was this: How you fight today sets the parameters for the battles of tomorrow. "I know that the first thing everyone is going to say is that Donald Fehr would have never stood for this, or for the way the thing with Pacman went down," said a source within the NFLPA. "But this is a different situation. What could we have done with Vick? With Pacman, it was the number of repeat offenses that tied up our hands. We did what we could, but it wasn't like -- especially in the Vick situation -- like we had a lot of leverage." It is unclear whether Upshaw is at the bargaining table now in negotiating a settlement for Vick's suspension and parameters for -- however remote -- a potential return to the NFL. He's vacationing until after Labor Day. But neither Vick nor Pacman Jones nor Tank Johnson is the union's real issue. The issue is precedent. The reason is clear. The responsibility of a union is to defend its membership -- every time, all the time, if for no other reasons than to send a dissenting vote to management that its membership always will be protected by a strong union and to alert the commissioner that his powers always will be checked by an advocate for the players. The union's message should be that a commissioner cannot simply do whatever he wants. Football, at least publicly and to the future detriment of its players, seems to have lost much of this lesson in favor of labor peace and public tranquility. In an example of sturdy, faith-restoring professionalism unimpressed by celebrity in a celebrity-obsessed culture, the feds soberly and joylessly got their man. Along the way, we have seen the law-and-order Goodell act swiftly and decisively to establish his image as new but not intimidated by the players or his responsibility. Player and league sources say the union and league have a "no surprises" policy, within which the union is kept apprised of the thinking inside the commissioner's office, which is why the league and union do not fight as publicly and ruthlessly as in, for example, Major League Baseball. An NFLPA source disputes the idea that over the past few months Goodell has gotten everything he wanted at the expense of the union, pointing to the concession Goodell made in the Pacman Jones case that, should he avoid incident, Jones could be reinstated by Week 10 instead of serving a year's suspension. Another source said that in keeping up with the "no surprises" mandate, the union has been in close communication with the commissioner's office during its independent investigation of Vick "every step of the way." One player representative from an NFC team said Vick was not abandoned by the union, but was stealthily aided by it -- Billy Martin, Vick's lead counsel, joined the Vick defense team on the recommendation of the union. <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td rowspan="2" width="5"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="5"></td><td width="195">http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0822/nfl_g_vick_195.jpg</td></tr><tr><td width="195">The NFLPA's approach to Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick might undermine the larger issue, which is to curb the power of the commissioner in the future.</td></tr></tbody></table> During the Vick controversy, Goodell burnished his reputation as the exception to the current trend toward unaccountability that has prospered from the Green Zone to the end zone to the foul pole by espousing old-fashioned values: You break the rules, you pay. An owner in lockstep, Blank followed. As the evidence against his franchise quarterback mounted, Blank grew more pointed and more resolute, revealing his belief that Vick betrayed their private relationship and, as such, he would not accept or foster special dispensation for the especially talented quarterback to whom not so long ago he committed $130 million over 10 years. What Goodell has done, shrewdly and effectively, is to tap the mood of the country and use it in creating his mandate. Just as in the late 1960s and '70s, when a collective energy existed to empower the players with more freedom of movement, greater salaries and post-career opportunities in baseball, now there is momentum for the disciplining of today's elite who believe their checkbooks elevate them beyond the reach of the public, responsibility and the law. The common attitude today is that players are out of control, above accountability, empowered to be absolved of responsibility by the teams that pay them and the leagues that publicly condemn abhorrent behavior but refuse to administer proper sanction. Jason Giambi acknowledged his "personal history regarding steroids," but MLB commissioner Bud Selig did not take action against him. In the NFL, Goodell has shattered that conception in the opening year of his first term. Sanctioning players is his right and, as commissioner, his responsibility. The commissioner does not work for the players. Only in the sense that the league's interests parallel those of the 32 owners is he even employed to better the game on the field. Whether the name is Goodell, Rozelle, Selig or Stern, all sports commissioners work for the owners. They are hired by owners, not the players, after all. Goodell is not the players' advocate. Each Goodell victory today without a loud, dissenting union voice makes the union's job of defense in a less clear circumstance -- a player not facing charges as serious as Jones or Vick but with as high a profile -- that much more difficult. Difficulty in overcoming Goodell's guidelines for suspensions will be the price for today's passivity. Upshaw will wear the bull's-eye, but the issue is more with some of his players who seemed unable to separate Vick from the larger issue of checking the commissioner. The union, because of the severity of the offenses involving some of its players -- Vick's barbarism has lost him credibility as a man, while Jones' actions might have led to an innocent person's being paralyzed for life -- has been backed into a defensive position. Focusing on Vick or Jones specifically undermines the larger issue, which is to curb the power of the commissioner in the future. "I know it looks like Gene is always in the owners' pocket," said one NFC player, "but what could you do with this? This dude was, like, shooting dogs in the head, drowning them and whatnot. I don't agree with Gene, especially on the retired players thing, but Vick is too hot right now. You'd be out of your mind to touch him." So the union has an understanding that it won't be blindsided by a runaway commissioner, adopting a position closer to equity shareholder than skeptical watchdog. It has labor peace and can take comfort in not worrying about losing public goodwill during contract years or losing face should its membership crack during pressurized labor negotiations. The union seems comforted that it is treated as an inside player instead of a hostile entity. But what good is maintaining the peace if it is not accompanied by power?
Howard Bryant is a senior writer for ESPN.com and ESPN the Magazine. He is the author of "Shut Out: A Story of Race and Baseball in Boston" and "Juicing the Game: Drugs, Power and the Fight for the Soul of Major League Baseball." He can be reached at hbryant42@yahoo.com.

Mr.T
August 24th, 2007, 10:17 PM
By DAVE GOLDBERG and LARRY O'DELL, Associated Press Writers1 hour, 12 minutes ago

No matter how nuanced his confession for involvement in dogfighting, Michael Vick got no leniency Friday from the NFL.

Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended the Atlanta Falcons quarterback indefinitely without pay, just hours after Vick filed a plea agreement that portrayed him as less involved than three co-defendants and guilty mainly of poor judgment for associating with them.

Vick acknowledged bankrolling gambling on the dogfights, but denied placing bets himself or taking any of the winnings. He admitted that dogs not worthy of the pit were killed "as a result of the collective efforts" of himself and two co-defendants.

Goodell wasn't moved and didn't bother to wait until Monday, when U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson will formally accept the plea and set a sentencing date likely to land Vick in prison for one to five years.

The commissioner said Vick's admitted conduct was "not only illegal but also cruel and reprehensible." Even if he didn't personally place bets, Goodell said, "your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL player contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."

Goodell freed the Falcons to "assert any claims or remedies" to recover $22 million of Vick's signing bonus from the 10-year, $130 million contract he signed in 2004.

The commissioner didn't speak to Vick but based his decision on the court filings. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Goodell may meet with Vick in the future, and Goodell said he would review the suspension after all the legal proceedings.

"You have engaged in conduct detrimental to the welfare of the NFL and have violated the league's personal conduct policy," Goodell told Vick in a letter after meeting in New York with Falcons president and general manager Rich McKay.

"You are now justifiably facing consequences for the decisions you made and the conduct in which you engaged. Your career, freedom and public standing are now in the most serious jeopardy," Goodell wrote. "I hope that you will be able to learn from this difficult experience and emerge from it better prepared to act responsibly and to make the kinds of choices that are expected of a conscientious and law abiding citizen."

Falcons owner Arthur Blank supported Goodell's decision and said:

"We hope that Michael will use this time, not only to further address his legal matters, but to take positive steps to improve his personal life."

Nike, meantime, said it terminated its contract with Vick.

Earlier Friday in Richmond, Va., a "summary of facts" signed by Vick was filed along with his written plea agreement on a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge.

"While Mr. Vick is not personally charged with or responsible for committing all of the acts alleged in the indictment, as with any conspiracy charge, he is taking full responsibility for his actions and the actions of the others involved," the defense team said in a written statement after the plea agreement was filed.

"Mr. Vick apologizes for his poor judgment in associating himself with those involved in dog fighting and realizes he should never have been involved in this conduct," the statement said.

Vick and his lawyers said his involvement was limited when it came to the enterprise known as the Bad Newz Kennels.

"Our position has been that we are going to try to help Judge Hudson understand all the facts and Michael's role," Vick's defense attorney, Billy Martin, said in telephone interview. "Michael's role was different than others associated with this incident."

Vick's summary of facts said he provided most of the Bad Newz Kennels operation and gambling monies, echoing language in plea agreements by the three co-defendants — Tony Taylor, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips.

When the dogs won, the statement said, gambling proceeds were generally shared by Taylor, Peace and Phillips.

"Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds of the purses that were won by Bad Newz Kennels," the court document said.

According to the statement, Vick also was involved with the others in killing six to eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions last April. The dogs were executed by drowning or hanging.

"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts" of Vick, Phillips and Peace, the statement said.

In the plea agreement, the government committed to recommending a sentence on the low end of the federal sentencing guideline range of a year to 18 months. However, the conspiracy charge is punishable by up to five years in prison, and the judge is not bound by any recommendation or by the guidelines.

Hudson has a reputation for imposing stiff sentences, according to lawyers who have appeared in his court. The judge will set a sentencing date at Monday's hearing.

Martin said Vick will "speak to the public and explain his actions." Though he declined to say when and where, the Tom Joyner Morning Show, a syndicated program based in Dallas, said it will have a live interview with Vick on Tuesday.

The case began in April when authorities conducting a drug investigation of Vick's cousin raided a Surry County property owned by Vick and found dozens of dogs, some injured, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting.

A federal indictment issued in July charged Vick, Peace, Phillips and Taylor with an interstate dogfighting conspiracy. Vick initially denied any involvement, and all four men pleaded innocent. The three co-defendants later pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against Vick.

Taylor was the first to change his plea, saying Vick financed the dogfighting ring's gambling and operations. Peace and Phillips soon followed, alleging that Vick joined them in killing dogs that did not measure up in test fights.

The sickening details outlined in the indictment and other court papers prompted a public backlash against Vick, who had been one of the NFL's most popular players.

Animal-rights groups mobilized against Vick — even protesting at NFL headquarters in New York — and sponsors dropped him.

"It is fitting that the NFL has suspended him," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The Humane Society of the United States. "He's now a role model for something terrible, and it's not appropriate that he suit up in an NFL uniform."

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Associated Press Writers Matthew Barakat in McLean, Va., and Michael Felberbaum in Richmond contributed to this report.

suiko
September 12th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Too bad ... the NFL back out of that suspension. Thats just too bad

suiko
September 17th, 2007, 05:15 PM
serves him right...

psychoegg
October 4th, 2007, 04:38 PM
He should just be banned from the NFL. I mean, who's going to want the guy once he's done his jail time, and what sort of shape is he going to be in after that anyway.

rjcaddell
July 19th, 2009, 11:59 AM
I hope he gets a second chance.

yassup
September 14th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Super Bowl

bigdummy1
September 15th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Now that McNabb is hurt they may really need him. How ironic.

Rtang
September 16th, 2009, 01:36 AM
My gut says he'll come back, tear it up and Philly fans won't know what to feel about the guy.

bitchbang
September 16th, 2009, 06:22 AM
Vick can't play until the 3rd week. They've re-signed Jeff Garcia. Looks like another QB controversy.

hurleesurf@yahoo.com
September 17th, 2009, 12:53 PM
He should be fine unless he goes to Mcfaddens.

dictator
September 19th, 2009, 06:44 AM
i agree wit bitchbang. theres gonna be controversy!
maybe better he's benched this week becuz bein compared to brees...could Not be a good thing 4 him!